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On this page we, (Paul and Val) discuss the form of the address change messages.
If you want to skip ahead and just see the final form, click here.
questions/answers
Q1
From DBI's perspective, we are either going to be inserting addresses or updating addresses with your data. (Addresses are never deleted but retired on our end and yours I believe). How will we tell the difference if it is an address update or a brand new address? via an XML tag?
A1
Agreed.
Jump ahead to example 3 to see a proposed solution.
We will publish every insert and update.
A retire is a special kind of update.
While addresses can be retired, they cannot be deleted.
Q2
The first example you give below does not have an APN (what DBI refers to as block/lot). DBI cannot make use of any address without an APN (block/lot). These should be excluded until they are complete.
A2.1
This part might be interesting.
Please read this entire page to get a sense of what we need to do.
In particular, please look at example 3 as well as example 5 along with the questions posed at the end of the example.
MAD addresses can be associated with APNs or not.
By and large I think they are.
A2.2
A MAD address is mostly immutable.
You make change 3 things on an address
- retire
- status (provisional, offical...)
- location
You may not change anything else.
Once the APNs are set, you cannot change them.
If you need to change the associated APNs, you do a retire/replace.
A2.3
We can use APN or BlkLot for this XML - your choice - most municipalities use APN.
Q3
2655 HYDE ST below has a bunch of APN's associated with it. For convenience, we would like each APN sent to us as a separate complete <address> .
A3
No problem.
Take a look at example 3 which is fairly close to what I think we want.
Q4
Also, the 2655 Hyde is broken up into units(<number>) (318), but there doesn't seem to be a connection between the unit(<number>) and the APN in the data below, but perhaps I am misreading it.
A4
My apologies, I had it wrong.
Please take a look at example 5.
Q5
Do you have a unique ID on your end for all addresses. We might store your ID on our end and/or use it to make updates easier. Also if we ever eliminate our DBIAVS completely in favor of MAD it will make it easier to transition.
A5
I will add the native primary key to the messages.
[Sam]
Can you be more specific here? My understanding is that in the MAD data model, both the base address and unit address tables have "native primary keys". If that's correct, then A5 is ambiguous.
Q6
DBI does not track addresses with no ownership but MAD does.
For example, an apartment build with 10 aprtments will have 10 MAD addresses but only 1 DBI address.
HOw will we handle this?
A6
The publisher will send only addresses that have APNs.
Q7
Parsing the blk lot out of the APN is tedious, can you please just give us the blk, lot?
A7
Agreed and easily done.
Q8
Val,
As of july 28 2010, the EAS will publish address changes like this.
I originally agreed to this because this is easier for AVS consumer.
I'd like to discuss doing it this way.
Here's why. Say that during the xmit the power goes out.
When we come back up, the daemon will retransmit some or all of the messages.
This is because of the transaction scope, which in EAS is naturally at the unit address level.
I'd like to avoid sending out duplicates if at all possible.
Now, if necessary, I can add some extra code (and a table) to handle this completely on my end.
But I'd like to get your feedback.
A8
The final form is here.
Example 1
A simple example to get us started.
This example is MAD centric.
I suspect that we'll end up with something a alot different at the end of this discussion.
Here is a single family dwelling with one owner:
<address> <number>14</number> <street>MAPLE ST</street> <unit> <base>true</base> <number></number> <disposition>official</disposition> <create_tms>2010-07-02 08:18:50.937000</create_tms> <retire_tms>None</retire_tms> <apns> <apn>1234001</apn> </apns> <action>insert</action> </unit> </address>
The "action" tag domain is
insert update retire
I think this addresses question 1 above.
The "base" tag domain is:
true false
This is a MAD artifact - DBI probably won't want it.
But let me explain the purpose.
A MAD "address" is represented using the concept of a base address and a unit address.
A base address always has one corresponding unit address.
There may be additional unit addresses or not.
If the base tag is marked true, then this unit information is directly associated with the base address.
If the base tag is marked false, then this unit information is not directly associated with the base address.
[Sam]
Can you elaborate on what is meant by "directly associated" in this context? Are there additional associations possible between a unit address and a base address (besides "not direct")?
Example 2
Now in the case of an apartment bldg, say
14 MAPLE ST,
apartments a & b
MAD represents the world this way:
<address> <number>14</number> <street>MAPLE ST</street> <unit> <base>true</base> <number>100</number> ... <apns> <apn>1234001</apn> </apns> <action>insert</action> </unit> <unit> <base>false</base> <number>a</number> ... <apns></apns> <action>insert</action> </unit> <unit> <base>false</base> <number>b</number> ... <apns></apns> <action>insert</action> </unit> </address>
There is no ownership at the unit level.
The owner is specified at the base address level.
Example 3
What I think we want an instead of the example 2 (apt building) is something like this:
message 1
<xml> <address_change> <key>12873</key> <action>insert</action> <address> <number>14</number> <street>MAPLE ST</street> <unit_number>100</unit_number> <block>1234</block> <lot>001</lot> <apn>1234001</apn> </address> </address_change> </xml>
Example 4
And reworking example 1 (single family) to fit the model shown in example 3, we have this:
<xml> <address_change> <key>12873</key> <action>insert</action> <address> <number>14</number> <street>MAPLE ST</street> <unit_number></unit_number> ... <block>1234</block> <lot>001</lot> <apn>1234001</apn> </address> </address_change> </xml>
Example 5
Let's move on to a time share, which can be seen at 2655 Hyde St.
In a time share we have a single unit with multiple owners.
message 1
<xml> <address_change> <key>12873</key> <action>insert</action> <address> <number>2655</number> <street>HYDE ST</street> <unit_number>1</unit_number> <disposition>provisional</disposition> <create_tms>2010-07-02 14:11:22.843000</create_tms> <retire_tms>None</retire_tms> <block>0026T</block> <lot>065A</lot> <apn>0026T065A</apn> </address> </address_change> </xml>
message 2
<xml> <address_change> <key>12873</key> <action>insert</action> <address> <number>2655</number> <street>HYDE ST</street> <unit_number>1</unit_number> <disposition>provisional</disposition> <create_tms>2010-07-02 14:11:22.843000</create_tms> <retire_tms>None</retire_tms> <block>0026T</block> <lot>066A</lot> <apn>0026T066A</apn> </address> </address_change> </xml>
The only difference here is that the APN is different in message 2.
This much is straight forward.
If a unit address changes, and there are APNs assigned to the unit,
we have one address change message for each of these APNs.
But at 2655 Hyde, there are lots of APNs assigned to the base address.
Val, please take a look at this address and tell me if you think we need to
do anything special here.
http://174.37.80.164/
Example 6
Here is a condo or tenants in common example, where each unit has a single owner, and there
is a "common area" owned by the owners association.
message 1 (base unit or common area, APN is assigned)
<xml> <address_change> <key>12873</key> <action>insert</action> <address> <number>100</number> <street>MAIN ST</street> <unit_number></unit_number> <disposition>provisional</disposition> <create_tms>2010-07-02 14:11:22.843000</create_tms> <retire_tms>None</retire_tms> <block>1234</block> <lot>001</lot> <apn>1234001</apn> </address> </address_change> </xml>
message 2 (condo unit)
<xml> <address_change> <key>12873</key> <action>insert</action> <address> <number>100</number> <street>MAIN ST</street> <unit_number>1</unit_number> <disposition>provisional</disposition> <create_tms>2010-07-02 14:11:22.843000</create_tms> <retire_tms>None</retire_tms> <block>1234</block> <lot>002</lot> <apn>1234002</apn> </address> </address_change> </xml>
message 3 (condo unit)
<xml> <address_change> <key>12873</key> <action>insert</action> <address> <number>100</number> <street>MAIN ST</street> <unit_number>2</unit_number> <disposition>provisional</disposition> <create_tms>2010-07-02 14:11:22.843000</create_tms> <retire_tms>None</retire_tms> <block>1234</block> <lot>003</lot> <apn>1234003</apn> </address> </address_change> <xml>
Example 7
We have agreed on this format.
<address> <key>419692</key> <base_number_prefix></base_number_prefix> <base_number>1</base_number> <base_number_suffix></base_number_suffix> <street_name>S VAN NESS</street_name> <street_name_suffix>AVE</street_name_suffix> <unit_number_prefix></unit_number_prefix> <unit_number>600</unit_number> <unit_number_suffix></unit_number_suffix> <create_tms>2010-08-03 12:05:54.578000</create_tms> <retire_tms>2010-08-03 12:38:33</retire_tms> <disposition>provisional</disposition> <mailing>True</mailing> <longitude>-122.418862841</longitude> <latitude>37.7747051425</latitude> <change_tms>2010-08-03 14:38:33.467492</change_tms> <action>retire</action> <block>3506</block> <lot>001</lot> <apn>3506001</apn> </address>
Example 8
<addresses> <address> <key>419623</key> <base_number_prefix></base_number_prefix> <base_number>2655</base_number> <base_number_suffix></base_number_suffix> <street_name>HYDE</street_name> <street_name_suffix>ST</street_name_suffix> <unit_number_prefix></unit_number_prefix> <unit_number>308</unit_number> <unit_number_suffix></unit_number_suffix> <disposition>provisional</disposition> <create_tms>2010-07-02 14:11:22.843000</create_tms> <retire_tms></retire_tms> <block>0026</block> <lot>028</lot> <apn>0026028</apn> </address> ... </addresses>
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